3/16 – Interrogations Methods Discussion Pt1- Wicklander-Zulawski

Interrogations Methods Discussion Pt1- Wicklander-Zulawski
Air Date: Fri, March 16, 2012
Guests: David Zulawski and Shane Sturman

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David Zulawski and Shane Sturman are executives in the investigative and training firm of
Wicklander-Zulawski & Associates. Zulawski is a senior partner and Sturman is president.
Chairman CFI/Senior Partner/Speaker: David E. Zulawski, CFI, is a 1973 graduate of Knox College from which he received a Bachelor of Arts degree. After college, Mr. Zulawski spent two years with the Chicago & Northwestern Railroad as a special agent. During this time, he primarily investigated thefts from interstate shipments in transit. Mr. Zulawski left the railroad to accept a position with the Barrington, Illinois Police Department. As a police officer his duties included patrol, investigations and evidence technician. In addition, he presented seminars on crime and rape prevention to groups in the Barrington area.

CFI – President/Partner/Speaker: Shane G. Sturman, CPP, CFI, is the President of Wicklander-Zulawski & Associates, Inc.Mr. Sturman started with Wicklander-Zulawski & Associates, Inc. in 1994 as a seminar speaker and Co-Director of Investigations. In 1999, Mr. Sturman was named Vice President of Operations, and in November 2004 he was named President of the firm. Mr. Sturman is a nationally recognized speaker on Interview and Interrogation Techniques and has presented hundreds of seminars on the topic to federal agencies, law enforcement and the private sector. As an investigator, Mr. Sturman has personally conducted thousands of interviews and interrogations for both private and
public agencies.


Show recap:

  • Meet David Zulawski and Shane Sturman. (2:52)
  • Mr. Sturman describes the events in his life that led up to his career in interview and interrogations. (5:00)
  • Mr. Zulawski shares his background starting as a special agent and leading up to interview and interrogations, and eventually starting his own investigative training company. (6:15)
  • Zulawski explains the avoidance of denials and the 9 step process within interrogations and confessions. (9:10)
  • Interviews and interrogations are both defined and compared by Sturman and Zulawski. (9:50)
  • Joey Ortega discusses his training in both the Wicklander-Zulawski method and more so, the Reid technique. (12:20)
  • The proper and improper use of approaches are discussed by Zulawski and Sturman. (14:30)
  • The first step of the Wicklander-Zulawski method (W-Z) is explained by Zulawski. (16:15)
  • Deception indicators and the myths are revealed and a participatory accusation is defined by Zulawski and Sturman. (23:25)
  • False confessions are discussed. (28:50)
  • A listener calls in to ask Mr. Zulawski and Mr. Sturman a question! (31:10)
  • Illegal and/or unethical techniques used in the past are discussed in relation to deception. (38:25)
  • Rationalization in third person as an approach is described by Sturman and Zulawski. (45:40)
  • Forensic interviewer is defined. (52:25)
  • You can find more information by Zulawski and Sturman here: www.w-z.com and www.certifiedinterviewer.com. (57:10)
  • Zulawski discusses his textbook “Practical Aspects of Interview and Interrogation” and three copies will be given away to listeners! (57:27)
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About behindtheyellowtape

Joey Ortega started his investigative career early at the age of 18 working as an apprentice investigator for local detectives. He started out doing insurance fraud investigations and background investigations. Proving adept in the areas surveillance and information gathering, Joey continued to seek further investigative challenges. From there he went on to do internal investigations for a number of companies that include; Sears, Roebuck Co., Saks Fifth Avenue, and K-mart. He was largely responsible for investigating issues of internal theft, embezzlement, workers comp fraud, and crime ring investigations. His success eventually earned him a position as a national investigator for a cellular chain, investigating crime rings on a national level. Trained in the Reid technique (interviewing/interrogation), Joey was able to gain confessions consistently without a single prosecution ever being challenged in court. Throughout his career as an internal investigator Joey continued to work for various private investigative agencies. Moving away from insurance fraud, Joey began developing his skills in the areas of criminal defense investigation, fidelity investigation, missing person’s investigations, and stalker investigations. It was the area of stalker investigations that Joey began to discover his passion for computer crime investigations. Having to learn quickly how to trace harassing and threatening emails, Joey began see that this is where the future of crime and justice was heading and decided to throw himself deeply into the subject. As a result, Joey’s clientele began to include those who were victims of internet fraud and cyber attacks. Joey is also the co-founder of The Ullemeyer Group, Inc. an investigative and training firm based in Santa Barbara, California that specializes in forensic training and consulting.
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