A Final Written Attempt To Answer The Same Arguments

My last attempt to answer the same arguments coming across our mailbox and posts.

Yes Anonymous posting a lot of “juicy” stuff that may seem like new info and getting a lot of attention however they did not post stuff that we did not know or were not told by locals, and even had some documentation for that may have backed it up if given time to complete our investigative efforts but we don’t just throw info out there for the heck of it or to shock and awe the masses as is happening now.

Posting un-worked tips and claims and personal contact info is not investigation nor reporting. It’s just gossip, rumor mongering and endangerment of potentially innocent people. You don’t do all that if you are trying hold people legally accountable and cops don’t need you to give them addresses, the only reason to do what they do is to incite the anger of the people and then point the way to where that anger can be acted upon. Its lynch mob inciting and risks making things even worse in the community not better.

Do the research, see their history of attacking communities , governments and more and the many lives they have endangered as a result of their online tantrums and antics. They are terrorists, no more no less. Don’t throw away your reason and turn you back on your long term allies and advocates just because today their antics are serving emotional frustrations and blood lusts.

I sought and still do, to help inspire dialog, accountability, and peace of mind in Steubenville. I want to see the community inspired, united and built up not incited, divided and torn apart even more. Which do you think is happening now since the presence of Anonymous?

Deals with the devil never pay off and usually leave you even worse off than when you began.


About Joey Ortega

Joey Ortega started his investigative career early at the age of 18 working as an apprentice investigator for local detectives. He started out doing insurance fraud investigations and background investigations. Proving adept in the areas surveillance and information gathering, Joey continued to seek further investigative challenges. From there he went on to do internal investigations for a number of companies that include; Sears, Roebuck Co., Saks Fifth Avenue, and K-mart. He was largely responsible for investigating issues of internal theft, embezzlement, workers comp fraud, and crime ring investigations. His success eventually earned him a position as a national investigator for a cellular chain, investigating crime rings on a national level. Trained in the Reid technique (interviewing/interrogation), Joey was able to gain confessions consistently without a single prosecution ever being challenged in court. Throughout his career as an internal investigator Joey continued to work for various private investigative agencies. Moving away from insurance fraud, Joey began developing his skills in the areas of criminal defense investigation, fidelity investigation, missing person’s investigations, and stalker investigations. It was the area of stalker investigations that Joey began to discover his passion for computer crime investigations. Having to learn quickly how to trace harassing and threatening emails, Joey began see that this is where the future of crime and justice was heading and decided to throw himself deeply into the subject. As a result, Joey’s clientele began to include those who were victims of internet fraud and cyber attacks. Joey is also the co-founder of The Ullemeyer Group, Inc. an investigative and training firm based in Santa Barbara, California that specializes in forensic training and consulting.
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8 Responses to A Final Written Attempt To Answer The Same Arguments

  1. a says:

    “Deals with the devil never pay off” – thank you for saying this. I’ve been trying to throw a voice of reason into the Anonymous fray, but no one can year me over the chants of the lynch mob. Maybe they will hear you. We don’t need Anonymous breaking the law to try to rectify things.

  2. Concerned says:

    I am slightly confused as to what Anonymous and their supporters are actually looking for. Originally they demanded apologies from a list of boys and the coach. I believe one or two came forward and apologized and at first they were let off the hook but then put right back on the wanted list. I have read their summation on LocalLeaks and this doesn’t even coincide with the info they have provided. I keep hearing the rapes took place at Jane Hanlin’s house, they have that under their description of Charlie Keenan but not in summation. Mark Cole admitted in court that he video taped the accused boys in the car ride to his house but LocaLeaks says it was Charlie Keenan.

    When Anonymous decided to get involved I was intrigued. I thought they bring attention and they did but what exactly is the outcome they are seeking? I don’t think apologies will do at this point but it seems to me that they want the laws changed. I was witness to a robbery once. I didn’t know what to do but surely didn’t stop it. Should I have been arrested an an accessory? What about these boys who have made deplorable comments. Should we lose our first amendment right because they made some disgusting remarks? I can’t believe how many bloggers and journalists are actually agreeing with their mission to crucify any one who made a comment that they disagreed with. Didin’t your partner Alex just go through a lawsuit along the same lines?

    I would like to know what Anonymous actually wants. Maybe that is something you could look into. I agree that rape is bad and rapists should be punished but I still believe that rights should be preserved regardless of how we feel about someone. Justice is supposed to be unbiased but it appears to me that emotions are now driving this case.

    • a says:

      I second this comment. I’d like Anonymous to articulate what they actually want. All I read is a bunch of twitter posts with the #corruption and #oprollredroll and calls to sign incoherent online petitions. No actual substance.

  3. TheTruthHurts says:

    Mr. Ortega – you sure spend a LOT more time villainizing Anonymous than you do holding the rapists, their accomplices, and the many enablers including the sheriff, the police department, the school, and everyone else in this town who’s had a role in sweeping this crime under the rug fully accountable. Are the methods of Anonymous perfect? Of course not – but in extreme cases like this one the choice can be that of inadequate justice, corrupt behavior, and bungled police work – or National attention and public outcry that fuels more acccountabilty. In this particular case I’ll choose the latter. You, on the other hand, appear to be making your own ‘deal with the devil’ by making a campaign against Anonymous your priority instead of the victim, her rights, or the very people that have shielded the rapists and their coharts from appropriate justice. This girl was dragged from party to party, raped, photographed, urinated on – and only TWO people are responsible and deserve at most a juvenile slap on the wrist? I dont think so.

    • All I can tell you is that i encourage you to do a little more homework. A review of our coverage up until this last broadcast has been very much focused on the rape and claims of other ones, discussions and investigation of the concerns of cover-ups, and very direct criticisms of the actions of not only the suspect and their friends but also of members of law enforcement and local government.

      You’ll find above and beyond effort to get at the truth, take in tips and confirm or refute rumors. Also clear exhortations to the community to stand up and be sure their grievances and concerns are heard and addressed.

      However this continued logical fallacy that if I’m against the rapes, have suspicions or concerns about a cover-up or abuse of power must also mean that I also support Anonymous and their methods. That is simply ridiculous.

      Despite our both expressing our disgust with the crimes, the concerns of failure of the system, and a desire to see justice for the victim, I do see Anonymous as a problem, more specifically a severe irritant of an existing one.

      imperfect methods is a far cry from cyber terrorism, criminal actions in the name of justice, coercion, rumor mongering and harassment which do not help bring justice but only makes efforts to get it that much harder.

      I have stated my case on this more than once here and on air. I encourage you to check it out and always welcome a dissenting view. I just ask that you actually consider my points and defend their actions which is being challenged and the potential social and legal ramifications and not their stated motives which is not being challenged nor is the heinous nature of the crimes or concerns of a botched case by a potentially corrupt system or the bias of some within it. .

  4. wiz83809@hotmail.com says:

    Joey, stick to the corruption stuff – let Prinnie handle the sexual assault stuff. She is female and thus by default more empathetic to the details of this vile crime. Play to your strengths.
    You have a good grip on the situation in Stupidville and you need to remember that and publish your account of the wider situation that led to those parties in August.
    But please don’t stick your dick in the Anonymous hornet’s nest, it won’t end well for anyone.

    • Thank you for the input. I believe you are being sincere.

      However I don’t get the penis reference as all I have done is offer intellectual and legal arguments to justify my objections to their methods and am not personally attacking anyone. However that is exactly what is being done by them instead of either ignoring me or even trying to offer an intelligent response to my critiques absent knee jerk reaction or emotion laden rants. How is this or their efforts to humiliate me intimidate me on social media (and failing) not a demonstration of the very “butthurt” laden speech, unprofessionalism, vindictiveness falsely being attributed to me? How is not the very self serving and useless waste of time that is not helping the victim or the community I am being falsely accused of?

      How is posting the most recent picture of the police chief that has no bearing on the case or proof of any illegal wrongdoing and given the nature of the photograph, not demonstrative of nothing more of an attempt to sexually humiliate him? How did it further the case or help the victim? How is it any different from where Nodi was coming from in his sick rant and what he was trying to accomplish with his sick words intended to sexually humiliate the target of his jokes. Are they not only demonstrating agreement with his sick implication that “some people deserve it or brought it upon themselves”. Isn’t this the reason for the outrage over his video, and rightfully so?

      These are all obvious and sadistic actions carried out buy Anonymous not me. Why is the focus on me, why am I being asked to look at the bigger picture? Why is that not being condemned or called out? How far does their free pass and blind eye go? Isn’t selective moral or professional enforcement the very thing being blamed for the lack of justice and protested there? Partial Justice Is Injustice. Free Speech Attacked Anywhere Is Free Speech Attacked Everywhere.

      At least I defend my views and accusations in my body of work with evidence, testimony and respect. Can you really say that has been done by them? Doubtful? If you focus on the case and legal issues (which I have maintained even when addressing Anonymous) then tell THEM to back off, tell THEM to redirect their efforts, tell THEM to re-examine their feelings and motives. People are barking up the wrong tree here, friend.

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