Real Discussion, Real Facts, No Hype, No Masks Friday @ 7PM PST

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/behindtheyellowtape/2013/01/05/steubenville-case-and-anonymous-wguest-sheriff-fred-abdalla

sheriffIn an effort to continue to run down leads, verify information and avoid simply offering rumors and filler as many shows do, BTYT had to take a step back and regroup. We also wanted to leave room for the Goddard civil suit to reach resolution without a comment on the show making her fight harder. That’s over now. BTYT has made new format improvements and added a new cast member. Investigator Amy Burch.

We return with the first priority of addressing Anonymous’ self insertion into the Steubenville case and discuss who this group is and whether they are helping or hurting. A major target of their campaign is Fred Abdalla. They also introduce new “evidence” and allegations against him and others as well as release a video that alleges to recount the August rape in graphic detail.

Sheriff Abdalla will be on to give his reaction and answer some recent emerging questions.

Proudly serving Jefferson County for over 23 years, Sheriff Abdalla has worked with adjoining law enforcement to reduce the crime within the Ohio Valley. Sheriff Abdalla has numerous hours of training and schooling within law enforcement. The Sheriff , his Deputy sheriffs and staff are dedicated to the citizens of Jefferson County.

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Amy Lynn Burch is a registered Private Investigator within the Commonwealth of Virginia with a considerable experience in surveillance, counter terrorism, workplace violence and threat assessment, sexual predator behavior and motivations, and interview/interrogation.  Additionally, Amy is a passionate sexual assault/stalking victim advocate with training as a PTSD and Trauma counselor. Amy’s passion for justice as well as her relentless pursuit of the truth in relation to criminal casework makes her a force with which to be reckoned

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About behindtheyellowtape

Joey Ortega started his investigative career early at the age of 18 working as an apprentice investigator for local detectives. He started out doing insurance fraud investigations and background investigations. Proving adept in the areas surveillance and information gathering, Joey continued to seek further investigative challenges. From there he went on to do internal investigations for a number of companies that include; Sears, Roebuck Co., Saks Fifth Avenue, and K-mart. He was largely responsible for investigating issues of internal theft, embezzlement, workers comp fraud, and crime ring investigations. His success eventually earned him a position as a national investigator for a cellular chain, investigating crime rings on a national level. Trained in the Reid technique (interviewing/interrogation), Joey was able to gain confessions consistently without a single prosecution ever being challenged in court. Throughout his career as an internal investigator Joey continued to work for various private investigative agencies. Moving away from insurance fraud, Joey began developing his skills in the areas of criminal defense investigation, fidelity investigation, missing person’s investigations, and stalker investigations. It was the area of stalker investigations that Joey began to discover his passion for computer crime investigations. Having to learn quickly how to trace harassing and threatening emails, Joey began see that this is where the future of crime and justice was heading and decided to throw himself deeply into the subject. As a result, Joey’s clientele began to include those who were victims of internet fraud and cyber attacks. Joey is also the co-founder of The Ullemeyer Group, Inc. an investigative and training firm based in Santa Barbara, California that specializes in forensic training and consulting.
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25 Responses to Real Discussion, Real Facts, No Hype, No Masks Friday @ 7PM PST

  1. Marie says:

    If Fred Abdalla is a such a dedicated servant of the people of Jefferson county, then why is he punting this case? Pathetic excuse for law enforcement AND a prosecutor’s office, IMO.

    • Although I have my questions on the Sheriffs Department’s role and options available to them, Abdalla is correct that this is a SPD case. A sheriff cannot legally do anything that the chief does not ask or authorize. That is true for every county and every state. The Sheriff is not the police chief’s boss, not even in the same chain of command. Mcafferty is ultimately responsible yet so far has managed to avoid the same scrutiny…why?

      • Marie says:

        You know what, the hell with the local LE and the local prosecutor, give this case to the FBI. As I recall, taking sexual photos of a minor is considered child pornography, which is a federal crime as well as a state one. If the prosecutor’s son is really involved and the sheriff is assisting in a cover-up then none of them should be involved in this case any longer. The FBI should assert jurisdiction.

        • FBI or any federal agency needs evidence to corroborate probable cause…oh wait…that’s right, that’s being compromised and made less useful with every share to feed Anonymous’ need to flex and feed the public’s bloodlust. This is what happens when you ignore the law…even for claimed altruistic reasons. Sadly, many people don’t get that until the damage is done and find themselves worse off than when they started.

          • Marie says:

            Ignoring the law? Really, you mean the way the prosecutor and local LE has been doing by lying about this existence of the video of the girl being assaulted? I applaud Anonymous for doing this. It demonstrates that this case has been mishandled in every way, and deliberately, from the beginning. They all wanted to allow the vicious attack of this girl to be swept under the rug. For high school football. Call me crazy but I want those thugs in football uniforms in prison and those who have tried to help them get away with it to get booted from their positions as they have abused the public trust in every way possible. I dare say this isn’t over by a longshot, and now that the awful facts have come out about how many are involved and how widespread the conspiracy to subvert the law is, I will be sticking my nose in it too. Don’t you get it? They could have killed her.

          • That is my point. though their methods may be making you feel good and informed, it risks any hope of prosecution.Stop defending their intentions I’m not disputing that. Its thier methods and the the impacts their lack of foresight may have. Simply bring attention to it is not enough.

  2. Marie says:

    Bringing attention is exactly what situations like this demand. They wanted silence. They will not get it, not now. Anonymous did a good thing, in this instance anyway. There is corruption and an attempted cover-up of several serious felonies stemming from the attack on the girl, and not enough of the perps are being held accountable. They did what they had to do. It’s not as if they invented this tape and the information. All they did was make it public, as it should be.

    • They did not HAVE to do any of what they did. Regardless, I made my points. You offered no real rebuttal to them but to talk about attention being the end all and be all with no real cogent explanation. You are either one of them on here to try and defend or a staunch supporter refusing set aside emotion and passion to critically think out the issue and see the whole picture. Regardless you are entitle to your opinion and I respect that. We will just have agree to disagree.

      • Marie says:

        I’m afraid your argument against Anon posting the video makes zero sense to me. You have a “shoot the messenger” attitude. I certainly am not “one of them” but it sounds as if it was exactly what this case needed due to the lack of charges being brought against those who committed this crime. This isn’t going to damage the case. Others on the inside are the ones who have done that, to protect their own, all the while throwing the victim under the bus. You cannot ignore corruption when young girls are abused and those who are charged with getting them justice and making sure these thugs aren’t on the streets to do it to another child are not only NOT doing their jobs but are actively trying to discourage the victim and her parents from seeking justice. Why do you care that these little scumbags have been shown up for what they are-soulless predators? Who cares how it was publicized, it was the right thing. Maybe now people will start getting arrested. And the two that have been charged have no business being sent to juvey court and need to go back to adult court. And I’m really not sure why you think it’s ok for the video of that little so-and-so saying all of those vile things was something that should be kept under wraps. There is too much being kicked under the rug in this case. It has to stop.

        • I’m sorry you don’t get it. All I can say is read and re-read with trying to find some way to find wrong in my words. I am not disputing questions about potential corruption, anyone who has heard my show or dad my previous work. Nor do I think this tape should be kept “under wraps”, however that doesn’t mean I feel the video belong to the public for consumption. I’ve outlined more than once why I have concerns about evidence integrity and simply telling me no its not without any real reason why is not a refutation of anything I said. I’ve also offered an argument as to why attention generating alone does not justify their methods as it has thus far also included law breaking and empty accusing, misinformation and re-victimization, then there’s endangering the safety of people who had nothing to do with the case since they clearly don’t work the info, they just seem to post it as it comes in.

          So simply repeating over and over without addressing my counter arguments the same two points (that the attention outweigh the risks or that others have broken the law too) that I have more than cogently refuted or resorting to personal attacks as others have, not you, only proves my point that their is no intelligent or reasonable justification for their methods to be offered.

          If you have something offer it, I’m willing to consider it. I’ve more than proven my willingness time and again to listen to and consider alternate views, but I won’t submit to argument by intimidation, as in if you are not for Anonymous you are for the bad guys or not interested in Justicefor any other asinine insinuation that has nothing to do with what I said or points I made.

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  4. misternunya says:

    actually abdallah has said repeatedly this case does fall under his jurisdiction, but since steubenville started the investigation, he felt it wasn’t prudent to ake over the investigation. however since this case technically is under abdallah’s jurisdiction, he can take it over any time he wants. he has chosen not too.

    as it pertains to anon leaking valuable evidence risking the case..all that shit (the vids, pics, etc) are out there on you tube, facebook, twitter, instagram etc. put out there by the defendants and those at the party as well as the students of the school. nothing is jeopardized because this crap has already been put out there in public domain in august and has remained, been hidden or deleted. sadly a great deal of it remains in the public domain.

    • Marie says:

      Finally, thank you. Geez, was it really that difficult to understand? I’m still trying to figure out why Mr. Ortega has such an issue with Anonymous making this information public. It sounds like his problem with the posting of this video and other information has nothing to do with this case and everything to do with them. If the New York Times or any other news organization had been the ones to acquire it and make it public, would he still be so up in arms?

      • Yes, I would have an issue, but is is more than that and I have been detailed, but you seem committed to not understanding my arguments let alone agree with them but rather discredit me for whoever’s sake. Such is your choice.

        • Marie says:

          Well the fact that your argument makes no sense, which I have said already, is all of it. I’d like to know, who you are protecting? Why get so bent out of shape over the release of this information? Who’s side are you on? It isn’t the victim’s, that’s for sure.

  5. Murphy says:

    Marie, I think what Mr. Ortega is trying to say is that while publicly exposing this video may have helped to bring national attention to this case, it may have also potentially jepordized some aspects of the case. You’ve “tipped your hand” to the defense attorneys, which will allow them to better prepare for the upcoming trial. Honestly, we should be applauding the efforts of those who have worked relentlessly to research, investigate, and bring this case to the attention of so many. Mr. Ortega definitely has the victim’s best interest at heart and has fought for her justice, as has Prinnie. To question whose side he is on is unfair and absurd.

  6. Murphy says:

    Not only that, but just think how the public release of this video makes the victim feel. I know that she had to endure all the things that were on Facebook, twitter, etc, but now it has gone national and everyone is seeing and hearing in graphic detail what happened to her. The poor girl is being raped all over again! She and her family are in my prayers. I can’t imagine how hard this is for them.

  7. Mommy of two girls says:

    Mr Ortega -while I fully believe you have the best of intentions on the matters and topic at hand involving the Steubenville Rape, I was a bit confused at first at your anger of Anonymous stepping in. I understand it might be out of sincere concern for the legal case being prepared against the defendants and possibly further pending charges, but let me offer an explanation and opinion of why Anonymous got involved and why I personally a parent of two daughters applaud them:

    If there wasn’t a vacuum of morality, truth and justice in the Steubenville rape or in our country in general, Anonymous wouldn’t exist to fill it or have stepped in. Our culture, our communities, our families, and our justice system are not organized or motivated to reveal the truth. 
     
    False narratives reinforce the status quo, which serves the interests of many. I hope I live long enough to see the full roar of the information age. When information overwhelms anyone’s power to control it, I believe there will be individuals who will innovate and find ways to separate facts and data from propaganda, and present information to individuals globally. 
     
    Truth will be available to us all one day, and it may be mankind’s salvation. I see groups like Anonymous as the tip of the spear, and ahead of their time – Not that far ahead, I hope. 
     
    Its disgusting and pathetic that a group of First-world young people would blatantly abuse an incapacitated person for the amusement of onlookers. Alcohol is not to blame. I do not believe that alcohol can turn a normal, empathetic, sexually/mentally healthy teenage male into a monster. Alcohol can only lower the inhibitions to the point where the drunk teenager stops hiding monstrous impulses and a criminal mindset, in the sense that the drunk teenager does not see a victim as an equal whose rights and bodily integrity must be respected. 
     
    Think about it: if you encountered an incapacitated person in a supermarket aisle or a parking garage, would you strip their clothes, piss on them, and insert objects in their rectum? Would you transport them to one of your haunts and carry them in so you could repeat your actions for others to see? Would you laugh and mock them for being possibly dead? Would any amount of alcohol make you do such a thing? No. You would most likely try to get them some help and at worst, ignore them. 
     
    The perpetrators of such crimes have in my view, no social value. Something in them is so very broken that cannot be fixed, and even if it could be fixed, society has a long “to do” list, and fixing the fundamentally permanentely broken (an undertaking that is expensive and not statistically likely to work) should be a low priority. Perhaps they are someone’s beloved child, but they are as useless as human beings as a car with a cracked engine block – they cannot function as transportation, they are not suitable to their purpose. Society would be better off without them. 
     
    We must learn how to stop creating monstrous offspring with the zeal of NASA astrophysicists, and cull the broken ones who come to our attention. Utopian, brutal, and a slippery slope, but if justly undertaken, the reduction of predators in society would reap unimaginable benefits.  Castration? Permanent Detention & Life in Prison? Wherever and whoever they are, the people who violated the bodily integrity of the young woman, in my view, have forfeited their humanity and all rights afforded to them by their society. To allow them to continue to be part of society, and enjoy enumerated rights, means that society is willing to tolerate predation and criminally aberrant citizens who categorically reject the fundamental “rule of law” underpinning our society, and is essentially an endorsement by our society that the range of expected human behavior that humans permit includes such sociopathic cruelty.  

    Its time for some change…. This country needs to take a good hard look at this type of thing and say no more. And it starts with the good people of Steubenville who truly have moral backbone and respect for humanity…

    From a mom of two girls

    • Despite my efforts to make it clear, I do not disagree with their stated intentions nor do I abhor the crimes that sparked this whole situation any less than they do. I don’t disagree that this matter needs national attention, It what we striven for from the beginning. I also agree and have presented evidence that there indeed may have been some people who were or currently are being insulated from accountability and that may have to be the result of a political structure that may be less than objective and some within in it whose agendas are not lining up with the needs of the community or demands of justice.

      In communications, there is a influencing technique known as Associational Juxtaposition. Essentially its the idea that by associating two things over and over again, the mind will assume the two are intertwined and directly related to or dependent on each other even when they have nothing to do with each other. It’s often used in politics and religion. In this case, it seems by restating all the the above points that all of us agree on, and then tagging to that Anonymous actions are doing the right thing. As a result when I or others express objections over Anonymous some people immediately hear “joey disagree’s with and does not support Anonymous’ therefore Joey agrees with the corruption and injustices or supports those that Anonymous are targeting. As a result they respond with combativeness or emotional appeals (i.e. What if it was your daughter?)that prove or disprove nothing other than that we in fact need something larger than ourselves to maintain order and insure justice.

      Mom Of Two Girls, you are one of the few dissenting voices that did not come at me with combative tones or social intimidation efforts and for that I thank you. So understand that it is with the utmost respect that I point out that you are committing the same fallacy of many others and falling for the same technique that many have, which easily happens to the best of us when emotionally charged enough. All you the things you pointed out about the case, the town and its needs are things we agree on. but none of them really address the actual objections I have and the reasons why. Nor do they counter my concerns that Anonymous risks making the issue we all agree on worse more rather than better.

      You can’t break laws and think what you uncover as a result will help gain a conviction, you can’t make video threats demanding apologies or confessions and not risk that confession or evidence gained as a result being labeled the result of coercion and intimation and being rendered useless. You can’t post rumors and conjecture thus inciting your hearers and then post personal data and not think you are risking the lives or well being of those being talked about and pointed where to find them, even if they are innocent. You can’t post videos instead of turning over, even to a federal agency and instead post them for the public to view and not realize that since they are not the judges and jury you are only offering gratuitous input that needlessly eats away at the soul and the dignity of the victim as she is revictimized over and over again with each share and re-post. This is my issue and source of my objection to Anonymous and their involvement. Such is supported by verifiable background, knowledge, experience, case law and history.

      Since they have come on the scene all this has happened and more. If at the cost of less opportunity for real accountability, more needless trauma to the victims,and the risk of harm to innocents; we welcome Anonymous, their methods for the sake of the quick interest of national media their antics provoke, are we not risking more than we hope to gain? To this I have yet to hear any real answer or address to.

  8. Memphis says:

    We all want the little jerks to pay dearly, to be humiliated, shamed, incarcerated – the whole nine yards. It is the WAY in which we are to get there that we disagree. And to this, I can only say – as politely as I can – that many do not understand how evidence needs to be handled in order to get the results desired. All the hollering and outing and booing in the world can not substitute for a proper trial. Satisfying emotionally? Hell yes. Satisfying legally? Not hardly. Society’s job is to humiliate them and ostracize them. Since there seemed to be a disturbing deficit of local community outrage – Anonymous came to the rescue. And boy did they ever. And as awesome as that is, Anonymous cannot put them away. It is only our justice system (thank god) that can put the monsters behind bars. And there are very very specific rules to follow (law) in order to do that. Maybe we don’t like those rules or the process, but it’s to be followed regardless. (there’s a whole ‘nother discussion about WHY I believe that process is a good one – but I digress). I think there’s a disconnect at that point for many. It seems to be the ones defending the justice system who are criticized for their points. It’s hard not to take it personally, because we are all on the same side.

  9. Canada says:

    Do you think the case is jeopardized now?

    • The current one- a remote possibility of a mistrial. The hope of future prosecution of others directly or tangentially involved- Absolutely jeopardized. Ill-gotten or tainted evidence and coerced public statements, apologies or confessions and any additional evidence gained from it make for effective defenses.

      • Elle says:

        I suspect the reason Anonymous became involved in this criminal investigation was because there was not even a shred of a thorough police investigation and the number of people charged was woefully inadequate for the level of institutional and adult involvement. Anonymous and several closely allied bloggers appear to have been thoroughly supportive of the victim and in communication with her, as well as trusted by a number of witnesses who would not otherwise have come forward, at least not to local authorities. The “ideal,” whereby our parents, schools, coaches, law enforcement and courts behave appropriately is best, but it was never going to happen in this corrupt town where police admitted they had never seen some of the evidence the self-described “Rape Crew” had posted online. Against all this, the possibility of a mistrial in Juvenile Court for the two individuals charged, is hardly the biggest issue to be concerned with.

        In normal jurisdictions, adults hosting parties with underage drinking risk both criminal prosecution and civil liability, but allegedly, the adults in this case included a heavily conflicted prosecutor, parents and coaches. These parties were, by all accounts, held somewhat regularly.

        The international interest in this rape case was kindled by the apparent disregard for the crime and the victim by the coaches, school and multiple authorities, and was further fueled by the ongoing rabid public defense of the accused athletes by townspeople. The responsibility for their comments in the public domain, and for the horrific and humiliating social media re-covered as evidence, lies with the original posters, not Anonymous. Local law enforcement was either unwilling or not capable of competently gathering evidence, and witnesses who provided evidence to Anonymous stated they did not trust the local system with their information.

        • Its not about their concerns or motivations. As I said ad nauseum, I am not bothering to challenge that and am willing to assume sincerity for the sake of argument.

          Motivation can only help one understand another’s actions but it does not begin to justify them. Only reason, logic and intelligent dialogue can provide that.

          Though my invitation remains open to this group and specifically their apparent leader, it is something they or their staunch supporters have been unable to even try to provide and doubt they can. Which is why the efforts to instead to try and quiet me through juvenile attempts to intimidate, humiliate or discredit are understandable and don’t upset me much. It may be all that there is left for them besides letting go of ego and admitting I may have a point.

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